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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway, for those interested, I&#039;m semi-live blogging (comatose blogging?) the results at MexFiles.net

Right now, the turnout is listed at 43.33 percent ... which is higher than expected, actually.  

Nobody is getting about 6.5 percent of the vote, which ain&#039;t bad... or maybe is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, for those interested, I&#8217;m semi-live blogging (comatose blogging?) the results at MexFiles.net</p>
<p>Right now, the turnout is listed at 43.33 percent &#8230; which is higher than expected, actually.  </p>
<p>Nobody is getting about 6.5 percent of the vote, which ain&#8217;t bad&#8230; or maybe is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nezua</title>
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		<dc:creator>nezua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sadly, it&#039;s true that abstention usually only benefits the status quo. on the other hand, the status quo seems to have no trouble entrenching itself despite what the people do! what are you gonna do? try to change things on whatever level you can, as always. seeing any vote as &quot;doing something&quot; is, perhaps, the biggest mistake in the first place.

thanks richard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sadly, it&#8217;s true that abstention usually only benefits the status quo. on the other hand, the status quo seems to have no trouble entrenching itself despite what the people do! what are you gonna do? try to change things on whatever level you can, as always. seeing any vote as &#8220;doing something&#8221; is, perhaps, the biggest mistake in the first place.</p>
<p>thanks richard.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the outcome of the 2006 election had a lot to do with general disgust with the present system, but how much the &quot;voto nulo&quot; movement is connected to that ... and how much to a movement to create a more U.S. style electoral system (one of the &quot;reforms&quot; the nulistas are pushing is for allowing for paid advertising) is hard to read.  Jose Antonio Crespo, who is the front-man for the nulistas has consistently defined democracy in terms of democratic capitalism.  He&#039;s not necessarily wrong, but this implies the nulistas are not pushing for economic democracy.  

Support for abstention, which was pushed by the Zapatistas (one reason I don&#039;t completely trust their leadership) benefits the entrenched status quo.  Ironically, the Zapatistas get along better with PAN (the right/far-right) than with the left... not surprising when you consider that both favor &quot;traditional values&quot;, just with a different set of traditions.  

I expect PRI will benefit the most from this election, at the expense of both PRD and PAN.  Given the proportional seating for a third of the Chamber and Senate, PRD will be the biggest loser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the outcome of the 2006 election had a lot to do with general disgust with the present system, but how much the &#8220;voto nulo&#8221; movement is connected to that &#8230; and how much to a movement to create a more U.S. style electoral system (one of the &#8220;reforms&#8221; the nulistas are pushing is for allowing for paid advertising) is hard to read.  Jose Antonio Crespo, who is the front-man for the nulistas has consistently defined democracy in terms of democratic capitalism.  He&#8217;s not necessarily wrong, but this implies the nulistas are not pushing for economic democracy.  </p>
<p>Support for abstention, which was pushed by the Zapatistas (one reason I don&#8217;t completely trust their leadership) benefits the entrenched status quo.  Ironically, the Zapatistas get along better with PAN (the right/far-right) than with the left&#8230; not surprising when you consider that both favor &#8220;traditional values&#8221;, just with a different set of traditions.  </p>
<p>I expect PRI will benefit the most from this election, at the expense of both PRD and PAN.  Given the proportional seating for a third of the Chamber and Senate, PRD will be the biggest loser.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Posts about Mexico Violence as of July 5, 2009 &#124; EL CHUCO TIMES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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