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		<title>By: ansel</title>
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		<dc:creator>ansel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m kinda late to this thread, but I think this is a great analysis.  Your take on the poster&#039;s art makes sense to me.  

The only critical thing I was going to say is that I didn&#039;t see much evidence that Fairey was seeking to personally profit financially or socially off these posters.  I had seen an interview with him about the AP photo controversy a while ago and he seemed genuine and all about art from the bottom-up.

Then I checked the Obeygiant homepage just to have a look.  Fairey says in a recent update he&#039;s &quot;very flattered that the agency Crispin Porter &amp; Bugosky included my HOPE graphic in their design.&quot;  Then I read his Wikipedia bio.  He got his start producing ads for Pepsi and other big corporations.  

Wtf?  Why should this guy be welcome in any grassroots/radical movement?  There&#039;s abundant evidence that, besides cloaking himself in subversive language, he&#039;s no different from any other white male capitalist.  Seeing him thank CP&amp;J, one of the biggies ad agencies in the world, struck a nerve - CP&amp;J produced a series of obnoxious, masculinist ads for Burger King while the Coalition of Immokalee Workers were trying to pressure the chain into adopting their penny-per-pound/human rights framework for tomato pickers.  I would go to CIW protests and then see those ads on TV.  Clearly Fairey hasn&#039;t outgrown his roots in the corporate propaganda business.  The more I look at his &quot;art,&quot; the more I see that.  Not to mention the questions of plagiarism.

So thanks - this has been a teaching moment for me, that guys like this don&#039;t deserve the benefit of the doubt...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m kinda late to this thread, but I think this is a great analysis.  Your take on the poster&#8217;s art makes sense to me.  </p>
<p>The only critical thing I was going to say is that I didn&#8217;t see much evidence that Fairey was seeking to personally profit financially or socially off these posters.  I had seen an interview with him about the AP photo controversy a while ago and he seemed genuine and all about art from the bottom-up.</p>
<p>Then I checked the Obeygiant homepage just to have a look.  Fairey says in a recent update he&#8217;s &#8220;very flattered that the agency Crispin Porter &amp; Bugosky included my HOPE graphic in their design.&#8221;  Then I read his Wikipedia bio.  He got his start producing ads for Pepsi and other big corporations.  </p>
<p>Wtf?  Why should this guy be welcome in any grassroots/radical movement?  There&#8217;s abundant evidence that, besides cloaking himself in subversive language, he&#8217;s no different from any other white male capitalist.  Seeing him thank CP&amp;J, one of the biggies ad agencies in the world, struck a nerve &#8211; CP&amp;J produced a series of obnoxious, masculinist ads for Burger King while the Coalition of Immokalee Workers were trying to pressure the chain into adopting their penny-per-pound/human rights framework for tomato pickers.  I would go to CIW protests and then see those ads on TV.  Clearly Fairey hasn&#8217;t outgrown his roots in the corporate propaganda business.  The more I look at his &#8220;art,&#8221; the more I see that.  Not to mention the questions of plagiarism.</p>
<p>So thanks &#8211; this has been a teaching moment for me, that guys like this don&#8217;t deserve the benefit of the doubt&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nezua</title>
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		<dc:creator>nezua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 00:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nope, A1 is certainly not interested in anything &quot;unifying.&quot; Judging by public comments as well as ones I moderated and deleted, A1 is only interested in making sure I write things according to his point of view, insulting me, discrediting me when he can&#039;t argue my points, and generally being a prickish dimwit. So. Whatchagonnado.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nope, A1 is certainly not interested in anything &#8220;unifying.&#8221; Judging by public comments as well as ones I moderated and deleted, A1 is only interested in making sure I write things according to his point of view, insulting me, discrediting me when he can&#8217;t argue my points, and generally being a prickish dimwit. So. Whatchagonnado.</p>
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		<title>By: sweetleaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>sweetleaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 20:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>be the change you want to see mr a1 - walk your talk. if your interest is in truly unifying for the imperative purpose to actualize immigration reform... you do not have to defend another&#039;s intentions but only look at your own. get off attack/defence mode; be quite, listen and learn from those that live, breath, study, actively engage daily with passion of purpose to see an equality of rights, respectful, and just treatment for all people, and then do what you can to assist that effort.

nezua knows what he is talking about period. it would help you to recognize that.
 
i might even suggest that you respectfully take what is being raised here  to expand and enlighten those that you feel need your defense. you are not doing them a service here by not working on your own reactions first, and limiting yourself with what you think you already know (your own understanding).
i don&#039;t think your intention here mr a1 is hostile, your motives are probably well intended. however, my impression is &quot;thou doth protest too much&quot; and you risk losing the opportunity to better understand the complexities of this issue, to help raise the consciousness for the better way needed for change.

peace, one love, pass it on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>be the change you want to see mr a1 &#8211; walk your talk. if your interest is in truly unifying for the imperative purpose to actualize immigration reform&#8230; you do not have to defend another&#8217;s intentions but only look at your own. get off attack/defence mode; be quite, listen and learn from those that live, breath, study, actively engage daily with passion of purpose to see an equality of rights, respectful, and just treatment for all people, and then do what you can to assist that effort.</p>
<p>nezua knows what he is talking about period. it would help you to recognize that.</p>
<p>i might even suggest that you respectfully take what is being raised here  to expand and enlighten those that you feel need your defense. you are not doing them a service here by not working on your own reactions first, and limiting yourself with what you think you already know (your own understanding).<br />
i don&#8217;t think your intention here mr a1 is hostile, your motives are probably well intended. however, my impression is &#8220;thou doth protest too much&#8221; and you risk losing the opportunity to better understand the complexities of this issue, to help raise the consciousness for the better way needed for change.</p>
<p>peace, one love, pass it on.</p>
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		<title>By: nezua</title>
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		<dc:creator>nezua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 15:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i appreciate the thoughts, la kumquat. that adds a lot. don&#039;t mind long comments like this kind. others, well...i&#039;ve moderated the spammy and sneery followups by the fairey supporters, which went so far as to include veiled threats. way to contribute to a movement, eh? 

peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i appreciate the thoughts, la kumquat. that adds a lot. don&#8217;t mind long comments like this kind. others, well&#8230;i&#8217;ve moderated the spammy and sneery followups by the fairey supporters, which went so far as to include veiled threats. way to contribute to a movement, eh? </p>
<p>peace.</p>
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		<title>By: la kumquat</title>
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		<dc:creator>la kumquat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 05:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been such an interesting discussion to follow on both posts-- it reminds me of Coco Fusco and bell hooks&#039;s discussions of the power dynamics involved in &quot;borrowing/appropriation&quot; and representation. Fusco writes that &quot;Crucial to understanding and determining the value and meaning of cultural appropriation is the nature of the genre worked in and the power relations it sustains among artists, subjects, and audience&quot; (English is Broken Here). It seems fairly clear that a)the &quot;cultural production&quot; of Yerena is being &quot;regulated and capitalized on&quot; by Fairey and b) whether it was Yerena or Fairey who chose the flowers, half-raised fist and/or &quot;We are Human&quot; was doing this for a non-sympathetic audience. It&#039;s a very... appeasing message. A &quot;don&#039;t worry, we really AREN&#039;T threatening/powerful, and like a helpless child, we need your help&quot; message.

Further, as has already been pointed out by Nezua &amp; los demas, it&#039;s ironic how those who are trying to defend the project use such arrogant language-- which just reflects poorly on Fairey and the project. 

sorry for the long post-- this whole thing has triggered reflection on this and topics I study in literature and it helps (me) to write it out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been such an interesting discussion to follow on both posts&#8211; it reminds me of Coco Fusco and bell hooks&#8217;s discussions of the power dynamics involved in &#8220;borrowing/appropriation&#8221; and representation. Fusco writes that &#8220;Crucial to understanding and determining the value and meaning of cultural appropriation is the nature of the genre worked in and the power relations it sustains among artists, subjects, and audience&#8221; (English is Broken Here). It seems fairly clear that a)the &#8220;cultural production&#8221; of Yerena is being &#8220;regulated and capitalized on&#8221; by Fairey and b) whether it was Yerena or Fairey who chose the flowers, half-raised fist and/or &#8220;We are Human&#8221; was doing this for a non-sympathetic audience. It&#8217;s a very&#8230; appeasing message. A &#8220;don&#8217;t worry, we really AREN&#8217;T threatening/powerful, and like a helpless child, we need your help&#8221; message.</p>
<p>Further, as has already been pointed out by Nezua &amp; los demas, it&#8217;s ironic how those who are trying to defend the project use such arrogant language&#8211; which just reflects poorly on Fairey and the project. </p>
<p>sorry for the long post&#8211; this whole thing has triggered reflection on this and topics I study in literature and it helps (me) to write it out!</p>
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		<title>By: nezua</title>
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		<dc:creator>nezua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 22:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if A1 homesauce had any track record at all here of earnest communication, i&#039;d entertain the arguments. anyway, those with actual mental integrity can see that i did my best to be fair to ernesto. i even double checked with him on touchy points as to whether or not i could mention it. every quote is accurate, and i even included his followup statements made to underline ernesto&#039;s take on things. 

fuck homesauce! plz. dood changes his argument and approach each  comment. so take any words within them with a grain of salt. i just dont get the persistance, coupled with the derision that tries to act like its &quot;civil.&quot; maybe homesauce feels NDLON&#039;s contribution and energy is being stained by association with fairey and his checkered past of cultural appropriation, but i disagree. i don&#039;t feel bad at all about ernesto or NDLON, of course! more power to both of them and to de la rocha! and to the movement. this fool acts like because of Nezua&#039;s post, the immigration reform movement will falter and fail! what a trip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if A1 homesauce had any track record at all here of earnest communication, i&#8217;d entertain the arguments. anyway, those with actual mental integrity can see that i did my best to be fair to ernesto. i even double checked with him on touchy points as to whether or not i could mention it. every quote is accurate, and i even included his followup statements made to underline ernesto&#8217;s take on things. </p>
<p>fuck homesauce! plz. dood changes his argument and approach each  comment. so take any words within them with a grain of salt. i just dont get the persistance, coupled with the derision that tries to act like its &#8220;civil.&#8221; maybe homesauce feels NDLON&#8217;s contribution and energy is being stained by association with fairey and his checkered past of cultural appropriation, but i disagree. i don&#8217;t feel bad at all about ernesto or NDLON, of course! more power to both of them and to de la rocha! and to the movement. this fool acts like because of Nezua&#8217;s post, the immigration reform movement will falter and fail! what a trip.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Clarke</title>
		<link>http://theunapologeticmexican.org/elmachete/2009/05/06/obey-the-altruistic-giant-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-2685</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 22:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What you and your readers are still failing to understand,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hey Al? Bite me. Our advancing arguments you can&#039;t bring yourself to counter intelligently does not constitute our &quot;failing to understand&quot; anything. 

Some of us were progressive before it became a hipster fashion statement. Some of us are continuing to be progressive even where it may conflict with hipster fashion. 

The Revolution Will Not Be Posterized, little man. Don&#039;t try to condescend to people: you&#039;re not very good at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What you and your readers are still failing to understand,</p></blockquote>
<p>Hey Al? Bite me. Our advancing arguments you can&#8217;t bring yourself to counter intelligently does not constitute our &#8220;failing to understand&#8221; anything. </p>
<p>Some of us were progressive before it became a hipster fashion statement. Some of us are continuing to be progressive even where it may conflict with hipster fashion. </p>
<p>The Revolution Will Not Be Posterized, little man. Don&#8217;t try to condescend to people: you&#8217;re not very good at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 22:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s strange how A1 noted that you took a position with MTV, while not understanding that the postition was as a journalist. And most people do know that journalists interview people and will record those interviews. I have to laugh at how he is accusing you of being uninformed when he is uninformed!

I do think he has confirmed that Yerena is involved with Fairey for the sake of the movement, issues, and projects. I wish him the best of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s strange how A1 noted that you took a position with MTV, while not understanding that the postition was as a journalist. And most people do know that journalists interview people and will record those interviews. I have to laugh at how he is accusing you of being uninformed when he is uninformed!</p>
<p>I do think he has confirmed that Yerena is involved with Fairey for the sake of the movement, issues, and projects. I wish him the best of luck.</p>
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		<title>By: nezua</title>
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		<dc:creator>nezua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 21:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donna, you make good points. Always good to hear an honest voice drawing out the possibilities of various angles, rather than sounding like a broken propaganda robot....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna, you make good points. Always good to hear an honest voice drawing out the possibilities of various angles, rather than sounding like a broken propaganda robot&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: nezua</title>
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		<dc:creator>nezua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 21:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you want to be civil. And yet you insist on misrepresenting my message, as well as misquoting my words, to push your case. I&#039;m not going to bother redirecting you to the very thoughtful passages I wrote on Ernesto (pushed him aside indeed), on Whiteness (which you love to pose as &quot;white people&quot; which I explicitly made a point to deconstruct), and cast dispersion on me because I record (legally) phone calls so I may listen back and take notes and be accurate...as journalists DO. Finally, to call &lt;em&gt;me&lt;/em&gt; disingenuous when it is you lazily labeling people &quot;haters&quot; (did you get this off a MySpace page?) because they make the well-documented case for Fairey&#039;s record of cultural appropration...wow.

You are not interested in honest talk, or are just mentally impaired. In the former case it would be unfair to myself to continue this talk. In the latter, it would be unfair to you.

Thanks for adding your voice, Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you want to be civil. And yet you insist on misrepresenting my message, as well as misquoting my words, to push your case. I&#8217;m not going to bother redirecting you to the very thoughtful passages I wrote on Ernesto (pushed him aside indeed), on Whiteness (which you love to pose as &#8220;white people&#8221; which I explicitly made a point to deconstruct), and cast dispersion on me because I record (legally) phone calls so I may listen back and take notes and be accurate&#8230;as journalists DO. Finally, to call <em>me</em> disingenuous when it is you lazily labeling people &#8220;haters&#8221; (did you get this off a MySpace page?) because they make the well-documented case for Fairey&#8217;s record of cultural appropration&#8230;wow.</p>
<p>You are not interested in honest talk, or are just mentally impaired. In the former case it would be unfair to myself to continue this talk. In the latter, it would be unfair to you.</p>
<p>Thanks for adding your voice, Peace.</p>
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