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	<title>Comments on: Weekly Immigration Wire: Obama’s Hard Line on Immigration</title>
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		<title>By: sweetleaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>sweetleaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nez, i&#039;m compelled: i&#039;d like to refer grandmother ms. pied: to the following lyrics from csny, teach your children.

You who are on the road
Must have a code that you can live by
And so become yourself
Because the past is just a good bye.

Teach your children well,
Their father&#039;s hell did slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams
The one they picked, the one you&#039;ll know by.

Don&#039;t you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.

And you, of tender years,
Can&#039;t know the fears that your elders grew by,
And so please help them with your youth,
They seek the truth before they can die.

Can you hear and do you care and
Cant you see we must be free to
Teach your children what you believe in.
Make a world that we can live in.

Teach your parents well,
Their children&#039;s hell will slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams
The one they picked, the one you&#039;ll know by.

Don&#039;t you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nez, i&#8217;m compelled: i&#8217;d like to refer grandmother ms. pied: to the following lyrics from csny, teach your children.</p>
<p>You who are on the road<br />
Must have a code that you can live by<br />
And so become yourself<br />
Because the past is just a good bye.</p>
<p>Teach your children well,<br />
Their father&#8217;s hell did slowly go by,<br />
And feed them on your dreams<br />
The one they picked, the one you&#8217;ll know by.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,<br />
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.</p>
<p>And you, of tender years,<br />
Can&#8217;t know the fears that your elders grew by,<br />
And so please help them with your youth,<br />
They seek the truth before they can die.</p>
<p>Can you hear and do you care and<br />
Cant you see we must be free to<br />
Teach your children what you believe in.<br />
Make a world that we can live in.</p>
<p>Teach your parents well,<br />
Their children&#8217;s hell will slowly go by,<br />
And feed them on your dreams<br />
The one they picked, the one you&#8217;ll know by.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,<br />
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.</p>
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		<title>By: sweetleaf</title>
		<link>http://theunapologeticmexican.org/elmachete/2009/03/26/weekly-immigration-wire-obama%e2%80%99s-hard-line-on-immigration/comment-page-1/#comment-2375</link>
		<dc:creator>sweetleaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>way to spit it watch dogs:) .
 
when did it become acceptable to confine people en mass as a solution ... when it became financially profitable and, especially so easy to do so? well it&#039;s okay because if one does this they get that because; cough, gag, excuse me...it&#039;s the law?. written and executed by, as kai said, &quot;gringos themselves as the “...legal immigrants” celebrated by gringos who write the laws and draw lines in the ground with bayonets&quot;. sounds like the makings of fascism to me. that&#039;s fucked up. why is this not obvious? too much fox news? too much lou dobbs, etc?

nothing like a &quot;good librul&quot; fascist to kill a good thread.

buh bye pie eyed, i&#039;ll pray for you.

peace, one love, and pass it one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>way to spit it watch dogs:) .</p>
<p>when did it become acceptable to confine people en mass as a solution &#8230; when it became financially profitable and, especially so easy to do so? well it&#8217;s okay because if one does this they get that because; cough, gag, excuse me&#8230;it&#8217;s the law?. written and executed by, as kai said, &#8220;gringos themselves as the “&#8230;legal immigrants” celebrated by gringos who write the laws and draw lines in the ground with bayonets&#8221;. sounds like the makings of fascism to me. that&#8217;s fucked up. why is this not obvious? too much fox news? too much lou dobbs, etc?</p>
<p>nothing like a &#8220;good librul&#8221; fascist to kill a good thread.</p>
<p>buh bye pie eyed, i&#8217;ll pray for you.</p>
<p>peace, one love, and pass it one.</p>
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		<title>By: nezua</title>
		<link>http://theunapologeticmexican.org/elmachete/2009/03/26/weekly-immigration-wire-obama%e2%80%99s-hard-line-on-immigration/comment-page-1/#comment-2355</link>
		<dc:creator>nezua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and after the last comment (not shown here now) i&#039;ve simply spammed this character, i wont put up with this illogic anymore. i dont mind conversation, but when people ignore the flaws in their arguments and the history you lay down and just keep coming with hydraheads of new &quot;nonpoints&quot;  well, i know the dialogue is done and i won&#039;t waste my adrenaline. i&#039;m not new to this &quot;blog&quot; business after all. ;)

piedtype you can stop emailing me, cuz we&#039;re done talking. You dont&#039; need to convince me you are a Good Librul Who Only Detests the Illegulz. you can feel good about yourself on your own. my mind is not gonna change on this issue, this feeling that human rights belong to everyone, and those who actively oppose true due process and human rights for all immigrants are losers and haters and very often racists, even liberal racists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and after the last comment (not shown here now) i&#8217;ve simply spammed this character, i wont put up with this illogic anymore. i dont mind conversation, but when people ignore the flaws in their arguments and the history you lay down and just keep coming with hydraheads of new &#8220;nonpoints&#8221;  well, i know the dialogue is done and i won&#8217;t waste my adrenaline. i&#8217;m not new to this &#8220;blog&#8221; business after all. <img src='http://theunapologeticmexican.org/elmachete/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>piedtype you can stop emailing me, cuz we&#8217;re done talking. You dont&#8217; need to convince me you are a Good Librul Who Only Detests the Illegulz. you can feel good about yourself on your own. my mind is not gonna change on this issue, this feeling that human rights belong to everyone, and those who actively oppose true due process and human rights for all immigrants are losers and haters and very often racists, even liberal racists.</p>
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		<title>By: nezua</title>
		<link>http://theunapologeticmexican.org/elmachete/2009/03/26/weekly-immigration-wire-obama%e2%80%99s-hard-line-on-immigration/comment-page-1/#comment-2354</link>
		<dc:creator>nezua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, buh bye is right because talking to people  like this for too long is a waste of time. as you say, they are either here to make sure we understand they are Good Souls Who Only Hate the Illegulz, or they want to simply stir shit up so they can feel better abougt the knot that rises up in their belly when they read stuff here and feel the world has gone off course, off the path that they mistakenly believe it should be on, one with walls, gates, lasers and troops &quot;protecting&quot; the &quot;border&quot; and lots of mexicans and asians and other immigrants being scooped into jails cuz They Deserve It.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, buh bye is right because talking to people  like this for too long is a waste of time. as you say, they are either here to make sure we understand they are Good Souls Who Only Hate the Illegulz, or they want to simply stir shit up so they can feel better abougt the knot that rises up in their belly when they read stuff here and feel the world has gone off course, off the path that they mistakenly believe it should be on, one with walls, gates, lasers and troops &#8220;protecting&#8221; the &#8220;border&#8221; and lots of mexicans and asians and other immigrants being scooped into jails cuz They Deserve It.</p>
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		<title>By: Kai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Again, no distinction here between anti-immigrant and anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


At first I thought this was simply a bot-like automatic spew irrelevant to anything we&#039;re discussing in this thread. But then I realized that PiedType actually thinks this thread is about her, so the top priority, the center and foreground, is elaborating a clear distinction between her contemptible anti-immigrant conservative political rivals and her own reasonable liberal principled nuanced anti-illegal-immigrant view. That is what this discussion is supposed to be about: white liberal goodness. Because it&#039;s always about them.

PiedType, trust me, we in the pro-migrant sphere understand the nuanced philosophical, political, moral, and legislative distinctions better than you do. But that&#039;s not the subject of this post. Buh-bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Again, no distinction here between anti-immigrant and anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment.</p></blockquote>
<p>At first I thought this was simply a bot-like automatic spew irrelevant to anything we&#8217;re discussing in this thread. But then I realized that PiedType actually thinks this thread is about her, so the top priority, the center and foreground, is elaborating a clear distinction between her contemptible anti-immigrant conservative political rivals and her own reasonable liberal principled nuanced anti-illegal-immigrant view. That is what this discussion is supposed to be about: white liberal goodness. Because it&#8217;s always about them.</p>
<p>PiedType, trust me, we in the pro-migrant sphere understand the nuanced philosophical, political, moral, and legislative distinctions better than you do. But that&#8217;s not the subject of this post. Buh-bye.</p>
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		<title>By: nezua</title>
		<link>http://theunapologeticmexican.org/elmachete/2009/03/26/weekly-immigration-wire-obama%e2%80%99s-hard-line-on-immigration/comment-page-1/#comment-2343</link>
		<dc:creator>nezua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re not a real human being, are you? i mean, the kind that thinks and makes sense and stuff. it&#039;s actually comical at this point!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re not a real human being, are you? i mean, the kind that thinks and makes sense and stuff. it&#8217;s actually comical at this point!</p>
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		<title>By: PiedType</title>
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		<dc:creator>PiedType</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, no distinction here between anti-immigrant and anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, no distinction here between anti-immigrant and anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment.</p>
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		<title>By: nezua</title>
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		<dc:creator>nezua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jeje. yes. that&#039;s right, hermano. i tire of telling peeps stuff they arent even listening to and dont want to hear (which i bet is why you werent even gonna bother replying anymore, cuz why?!) but you are on the money. the map could even have tribes written south of that &quot;border&quot; because from Amuzgo to Zoque, many tribes are indigenous to this continent, long before folks began etching barbed wire across it in the name of conquest and greed. Piedmont up there is living in a very convenient and fake world that began a few years ago and has all kinds of lines drawn over it to corral in their goods and keep out the fear. 

Not workin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeje. yes. that&#8217;s right, hermano. i tire of telling peeps stuff they arent even listening to and dont want to hear (which i bet is why you werent even gonna bother replying anymore, cuz why?!) but you are on the money. the map could even have tribes written south of that &#8220;border&#8221; because from Amuzgo to Zoque, many tribes are indigenous to this continent, long before folks began etching barbed wire across it in the name of conquest and greed. Piedmont up there is living in a very convenient and fake world that began a few years ago and has all kinds of lines drawn over it to corral in their goods and keep out the fear. </p>
<p>Not workin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t gonna say anything more but now that you bring it up, Nez, I need address this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Arguably, all Americans are immigrants.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This kinda boils down a fundamental problem with the way many gringos view immigration, doesn&#039;t it? They don&#039;t recognize that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kaichang.net/2007/10/1492.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;America was populated&lt;/a&gt; with numerous peoples, nations, and civilizations before Europeans began arriving. So they don&#039;t realize that most of the folks crossing the southern border are descendants of people who have lived on this continent for thousands of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t gonna say anything more but now that you bring it up, Nez, I need address this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Arguably, all Americans are immigrants.</p></blockquote>
<p>This kinda boils down a fundamental problem with the way many gringos view immigration, doesn&#8217;t it? They don&#8217;t recognize that <a href="http://www.kaichang.net/2007/10/1492.html" rel="nofollow">America was populated</a> with numerous peoples, nations, and civilizations before Europeans began arriving. So they don&#8217;t realize that most of the folks crossing the southern border are descendants of people who have lived on this continent for thousands of years.</p>
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		<title>By: nezua</title>
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		<dc:creator>nezua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sorry, I should have said “immigrants built this country,” not “legal immigrants.” Arguably, all Americans are immigrants.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

Oh? So why dont we go back to your original statement then and the words to which you initially retorted to my post.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Again, no distinction here between anti-immigrant and anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment. Legal immigrants helped build this country and we “gringos” celebrate that. Illegal immigrants, on the other hand, are breaking our laws by being here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

You admit to a fact that destroys your thesis and then go on as if you are right anyway with a short &quot;Sorry.&quot; You are incoherent in this argument. And you need education on the matter at hand.

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sorry, I should have said “immigrants built this country,” not “legal immigrants.” Arguably, all Americans are immigrants.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Oh? So why dont we go back to your original statement then and the words to which you initially retorted to my post.</p>
<blockquote><p>Again, no distinction here between anti-immigrant and anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment. Legal immigrants helped build this country and we “gringos” celebrate that. Illegal immigrants, on the other hand, are breaking our laws by being here.</p></blockquote>
<p></p>
<p>You admit to a fact that destroys your thesis and then go on as if you are right anyway with a short &#8220;Sorry.&#8221; You are incoherent in this argument. And you need education on the matter at hand.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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